Tag Archive: Krita
Today is the day where we all meet in the same room to discuss the mater that concern all of us.
The topic that kept us busy the most was success and failure, after a while we concluded that no one want to speak of failure, so we concentrated on what we consider is going to be our main criteria of success, the top mains one are lot of users and lot of developers. Our first step to get a lot of users will be to make it possible for a lot of users to use it (surprised ?), the good thing is that is indeed something that is progressing release after release. Then we will need a lot of advertisement and documentation. When it comes to developers, we concluded that the main problem is not to attract new ones, but to retain the one we have, and one of the key challenge is going to make sure we keep a good ratio of paid developers / hobbyist developers. A key feature of KOffice is going to be interoperability, and ODF is the way to go. Some ODF features are border lines and are not considered to be essential, but if someone is willing to write an implementation, it might be accepted by KOffice if it is good enough (code quality, maintainability and UI). Also an other way to achieve interoperability is with the implementation of import filters. Then the question of whether KOffice is a desktop application or also for use on mobile devices was raised, but this is a subject that require research on how to make the actual implementation. Suresh mentioned that Nokia would need a roadmap to help with their planning, which also require a vision, but writing a vision require an usability expert and the roadmap would have taken us an other day.
Then we continued with listing the missing features in KOffice, Suresh presented us their current work on mobile use of KOffice. And we finished by a discussion about our website, sadly Alexandra who did a wonderful job on planning our current website is now too busy to work on it, so for now I am going to take care of technical aspect, while Boudewijn writes content (expect a last week in koffice !).
The full minutes are fully available on koffice’s wiki.
For the dinner we went to the slowest restaurant, half an hour for the first drink and to order, an hour to get the food…
And now we enjoy the fresh evening, while blogging, sipping wine, hacking and discussing.
The time when Krita was borne as KImageShop, as a Gimp-for-KDE is long gone. Not sure when this idea was killed, but it is clear that it has never really be the intention of the current team. The ambiguity of being only a paint application might only have been lift last weeks, and not trying anymore to be both. But now was the best time to lift it, Gimp is now going in a direction where it will be an excellent image manipulation tool, it does not make anymore sense to try to have half-baked support for this kind of work in Krita. Instead, we need to focus on what is truly missing, a high quality paint application that covers all the artists needs.
But this focus of Krita is not new. What is new is our willingness to focus on it.
Boudewijn has always said that he started on Krita to make a linux application that makes the most use of his newly tablet, he even said at LGM 2007 that he wanted Krita to be a “corel paint killer”. More recently Vera joined us in the hope of helping us to make a good open source painting application.
Personally I started with a joint interest for drawing and photography, and probably considered at first that I wanted to contribute to an application that work for both use. And this would explain why most photographic specific features were written by me. But when I started to make digital pictures, I thought that one of the main interest over silver film was the post-processing, but I have come to realise that colour and brightness adjustment were all the changes I wanted to do, and that otherwise, the pictures need to be shout correctly, correct framing, correct positioning of objects, this require more work in the composition, but this also give greater pictures than cloning. Meaning, that I have mostly used Krita for drawing attempts.
But some other members joined us for photographic interest, and some people would still want to use Krita for those uses, I hope that we manage to work together and allow them to find their place in the Krita Community, either the new extensions website will prove sufficient, maybe a krita-photographic-extension package will be made available by distributions, or it is even possible to build a different user interface on top of Krita libraries.
This is something we are ready to help with, but what we feel is important is that when a painter starts Krita, he get all what he needs, and nothing more.
During this week, Boudewijn is hosting Sven, Lukas and me for a Krita hackfest, dedicated to bug fixing, performance, UI improvement. Among the major improvements brought by that week are improvement in the memory consumption, thanks to a collaboration between Dmitry and me, where I did some tracking and experimentation, and he found the actual problem. This fixed has allowed us to go from 2 minutes of drawing to exhaust my 2GB of memory, to make it possible to paint for more than 30 minutes, there are still some issues that need to be found and fixed. In the area of performance, Lukas have improve the performance of the flood fill by 60%, and I have reduced the time needed for some gradients by six (the other types did not seem to have the problem), unfortunately those improvements are not really visible, for some reason Krita currently spend a lot of time recompositing the image. While Boudewijn and Sven have been working on a scratchpad, as a new way to test new brushes settings, and working on a widget to input value that should be simpler when used with tablets, after Boudewijn’s call for help someone else has offered to help us with that.
Yesterday we went to Amsterdam to meet the Blender’s guys. Since most of us has never been to Amsterdam before, Boudewijn took us for a long walk in Amsterdam’s street (or should I say canal), which started in the overcrowded area around the central station, that we left as soon as possible to walk in more quieter area:
Then at the end of the walk we arrived at the Blender institute:
Where Ton took us on a visit of the Studio, and then we assisted to their weekly update, where all the members of team show what they have been working on, their difficulties and how to solve them. After the meeting, we went to a restaurant, as an opportunity to know each other, and to learn more on how their work, and in hope that one day Krita can be useful for them.
Tomorrow, I will go back home in Göteborg.
Adding a new feature is usually considered easy in the open source world, and then it is taken for granted. Removing a feature, on the other hand, it is a different story. It is not about making Krita less useful, au contraire, it is about making the best for our vision. But why remove a feature, they don’t disturb, or take too much space. They still come in the way and clutter, and what is the point of a menu entry, if you are never going to use it ?
Krita is now focused on being a painting application
We have mentioned in our blogs entry (by me in Krita meeting 2010 – day 1 and by Boudewijn Rempt’s blog) on last week-end Krita meeting, that we had now decided for a vision oriented toward painting.
Where does that leave photography ? Well clearly, it is out. And honestly, between Gimp (especially with their work on 2.8) and Digikam, there is not really much room for an other linux photography application to prosper. Since Krita was always more oriented toward drawing and painting, and photographic features were available mostly because “we can”, and there is no high-end application for drawing and painting on linux, the logical conclusion, for us, was to focus on where we can be the best, and the most useful.
Removing photographic-specific features
The logical conclusion is to remove the features that are not useful for painting. This include many of the photographic plug-ins, like tonemapping, bracketingto-hdr, lens correction, noise reduction filters. As well as a set of artistic filters, but that are mostly useful to transform a picture in something that looks like a painting.
And anyway there are better tool for that job, like the excellent Qtpfsgui, in action below on Deventer’s mill:
I started a discussion on the subject on Krita’s mailing list, which triggered a bit of a uproar. Especially from people who have used Krita for photographic editing. Live with it, use Gimp or Digikam, or install the removed plugins from the future extension website, write your own, just do not count on us for that, we are going to be focused on other features.
An extension website
Since it would sadden me to kill forever some of those plug-ins, and also while we do not want to support photographic features, or features that are of no interest for painting, we also do not want to prevent people to have or use those features, they will simply not be part of the default distribution. We are going to setup a new website where those extensions will be hosted, hopefully with “nightly” build (more like regular build) to keep them buildable, and synchronized with git/hg, where a tag would trigger a new release automatically. In essence a revival of the krita-plugins project.
Yesterday was the second day of the krita meeting 2010. It was oriented toward technical discussions, and UI design discussions.
In the technical area, I and Dmitry had a long talk on how to improve the filter API, to make it both easier to write effect filters, retain performance and ensure that it is less buggy with respect to selections and masks. In meantime Lukas was teaching Vera how to implement new painting operation, so that she can work on a water color brush engine.
When it came to the UI, we talked about what to do with painting op presets preview, and it was decided that it would be more useful for the user to have a scratchpad where he can make his own testing of the current settings, rather than having a computer generated preview. Boudewijn is now working on implementing exactly that. We also discussed painting presets management, it is going to be very basic for 2.2, with just a list name and a preview (either computer generated or made with the scratchpad). And later we would like to have tags, search by tags.
And between two discussions, we were working on bug fixes, polishing features, etc… All the small details to make Krita an even better application. And now is the hack week, with Boudewijn, Lukas, Sven and me.
