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	<title>Comments on: About Krita and Gimp, in default installation</title>
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		<title>By: Cyrille Berger</title>
		<link>http://blog.cberger.net/2009/11/26/about-krita-and-gimp-in-default-installation/comment-page-1/#comment-301</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyrille Berger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>digiKam being a KDE application does not mean it cannot be used on other desktop. That is the whole point of the rebranding, KDE is a community that develop software to be used on KDE Desktop, Gnome, XFCE, Windows, Mac OS X...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>digiKam being a KDE application does not mean it cannot be used on other desktop. That is the whole point of the rebranding, KDE is a community that develop software to be used on KDE Desktop, Gnome, XFCE, Windows, Mac OS X&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: philippe</title>
		<link>http://blog.cberger.net/2009/11/26/about-krita-and-gimp-in-default-installation/comment-page-1/#comment-300</link>
		<dc:creator>philippe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;&lt;most people want to do with their picture is to classify them, do &lt;&lt;light weight retouching (for instance, adjust the brightness, remove &lt;&lt;red eyes)

i am very happy to read this. today i am no more alone.
see the comment i written about a new tool in digikam
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i am happy for photo geek (about this new tool)
but non photo geek wants only
 - to experiment emotion with souvenir
 - to live closer together with its family and friends
then
 non photo geek wants :
 - a good gui
 - a mean to organize and to find easily photos
 - a mean to share photos
non geek has low interest about fixing photos
non geek has hich interest in : digikam must be included seamlessly in the workflow among the other tools in particular web photo cms.
 For example :
 - not to have error in exif data about rotation
 - for picasaweb it must be functionaly complete then must be able to send all tags for photos and movies
many thanks for your works
 and
 be more Proust-ian (yes i also like madeleine)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&lt;&lt;most people want to do with their picture is to classify them, do &lt;&lt;light weight retouching (for instance, adjust the brightness, remove &lt;&lt;red eyes)</p>
<p>i am very happy to read this. today i am no more alone.<br />
see the comment i written about a new tool in digikam<br />
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i am happy for photo geek (about this new tool)<br />
but non photo geek wants only<br />
 &#8211; to experiment emotion with souvenir<br />
 &#8211; to live closer together with its family and friends<br />
then<br />
 non photo geek wants :<br />
 &#8211; a good gui<br />
 &#8211; a mean to organize and to find easily photos<br />
 &#8211; a mean to share photos<br />
non geek has low interest about fixing photos<br />
non geek has hich interest in : digikam must be included seamlessly in the workflow among the other tools in particular web photo cms.<br />
 For example :<br />
 &#8211; not to have error in exif data about rotation<br />
 &#8211; for picasaweb it must be functionaly complete then must be able to send all tags for photos and movies<br />
many thanks for your works<br />
 and<br />
 be more Proust-ian (yes i also like madeleine)<br />
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		<title>By: freedomsoftware</title>
		<link>http://blog.cberger.net/2009/11/26/about-krita-and-gimp-in-default-installation/comment-page-1/#comment-299</link>
		<dc:creator>freedomsoftware</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tommy.S &quot;So there is nothing more left than F-spot.&quot; Uhhh... EyeOfGnome? gThumb? There&#039;s a bunch of alternatives..

Personally I&#039;d enjoy seeing them all move over to Gwenview + Kipi plugins... which need kdelibs... meaning that all of Ubuntu would eventually have to move to KDE as there &quot;wasn&#039;t room for mono and an orange desktop environment on the disk&quot; ;-)

Before the flames erupt: ***Yes, I&#039;m Joking!***</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tommy.S &#8220;So there is nothing more left than F-spot.&#8221; Uhhh&#8230; EyeOfGnome? gThumb? There&#8217;s a bunch of alternatives..</p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;d enjoy seeing them all move over to Gwenview + Kipi plugins&#8230; which need kdelibs&#8230; meaning that all of Ubuntu would eventually have to move to KDE as there &#8220;wasn&#8217;t room for mono and an orange desktop environment on the disk&#8221; <img src='http://blog.cberger.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Before the flames erupt: ***Yes, I&#8217;m Joking!***</p>
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		<title>By: Christoph</title>
		<link>http://blog.cberger.net/2009/11/26/about-krita-and-gimp-in-default-installation/comment-page-1/#comment-298</link>
		<dc:creator>Christoph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>digiKam is official KDE software, like KOffice or k3b. It lives in /kde/trunk/, uses bugs.kde.org as its bugtracker, and uses every other piece of the infrastructure that KDE offers (translation and documentation teams etc).

It just isn&#039;t released in the same 6 months cycles as the (now called) KDE SC. Looking how fast the digiKam team makes releases, it just would not make sense anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>digiKam is official KDE software, like KOffice or k3b. It lives in /kde/trunk/, uses bugs.kde.org as its bugtracker, and uses every other piece of the infrastructure that KDE offers (translation and documentation teams etc).</p>
<p>It just isn&#8217;t released in the same 6 months cycles as the (now called) KDE SC. Looking how fast the digiKam team makes releases, it just would not make sense anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Rubenmv</title>
		<link>http://blog.cberger.net/2009/11/26/about-krita-and-gimp-in-default-installation/comment-page-1/#comment-297</link>
		<dc:creator>Rubenmv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And why not gthumb?
It can replace &quot;Eye of gnome&quot;, &quot;F-Spot&quot; and even &quot;GIMP&quot; on basic operations like cropping, resizing, removing red eyes, edit color, brightness and saturation, etc.
Is similar to Gwenview but without the need of QT and KDE libs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And why not gthumb?<br />
It can replace &#8220;Eye of gnome&#8221;, &#8220;F-Spot&#8221; and even &#8220;GIMP&#8221; on basic operations like cropping, resizing, removing red eyes, edit color, brightness and saturation, etc.<br />
Is similar to Gwenview but without the need of QT and KDE libs.</p>
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		<title>By: Morty</title>
		<link>http://blog.cberger.net/2009/11/26/about-krita-and-gimp-in-default-installation/comment-page-1/#comment-296</link>
		<dc:creator>Morty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-386&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-386&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Aaron Seigo&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;It’s the benefit of using Digikam for this without forcing all the additional UI around albums and what not that are required for a pro-app like Digikam.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Guess what you want is ShowPhoto, the image editor from Digicam in it&#039;s stand alone mode :-)</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-386" rel="nofollow">Aaron Seigo</a> :</strong>It’s the benefit of using Digikam for this without forcing all the additional UI around albums and what not that are required for a pro-app like Digikam.</p></blockquote>
<p>Guess what you want is ShowPhoto, the image editor from Digicam in it&#8217;s stand alone mode <img src='http://blog.cberger.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Paul Boddie</title>
		<link>http://blog.cberger.net/2009/11/26/about-krita-and-gimp-in-default-installation/comment-page-1/#comment-295</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Boddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another &quot;advertisement&quot; for F-Spot here:

http://lwn.net/Articles/359579/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another &#8220;advertisement&#8221; for F-Spot here:</p>
<p><a href="http://lwn.net/Articles/359579/" rel="nofollow">http://lwn.net/Articles/359579/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tommy.S</title>
		<link>http://blog.cberger.net/2009/11/26/about-krita-and-gimp-in-default-installation/comment-page-1/#comment-294</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommy.S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First I want to remind it is a &quot;digiKam&quot; and not &quot;Digikam&quot; (and I personally like the first one as it is now =)

The question is littlebit hard. Avarage joe does not need GIMP features, the F-spot is enough. But removing GIMP, they just made a LiveCD to be such you could not edit images on different computer on the road.

There are actually four versions what would be comparable.

- F-spot
- Picasa
- Gwenview
- digiKam

The F-spot is tied to Mono. Not good. It is slow, it crash and it actually does not have all features nicely packaged. And it even has hardcoded ~/Photos folder so it does not follow localisation. What is very bad by usability. Tagging is harder because it is just too simple.

Picasa is closed source. Does not look so nice but has all features what avarage user would need. Rating is limited and tagging by same way.

Gwenview is great but it needs Kipi-plugins to work well. Tagging would be done only by nepomil and rating as well. Dont know how well those write tags to EXIF. But it has almost all needed features as well. But it actually needs more the dolphin to be usefull on big albums.

digiKam is best of all these. It has almost all features what you can wait for such software. (I need to ask why digiKam is not official KDE software?!). It only miss layer masks and fixing a few usability things to get straight software. It has lots of potential but still it manages to get the UI keeping simple. What it would need is possibility to have somekind &quot;avarage joe&quot; mode. But that could be avoided if digiKam gets the sidepanels working better way. Mayby more like the amarok has?

but the ubuntu is a distribution focused to use Gnome. So Gwenview and digiKam does not work there because they need too much space for KDE platform. Picasa does not fit to UI and needs the wine. So there is nothing more left than F-spot. So it is F-spot or nothing. It is better than nothing so stick with it. Because GIMP does not offer anykind photo collectioning. It is problematic for normal user.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First I want to remind it is a &#8220;digiKam&#8221; and not &#8220;Digikam&#8221; (and I personally like the first one as it is now =)</p>
<p>The question is littlebit hard. Avarage joe does not need GIMP features, the F-spot is enough. But removing GIMP, they just made a LiveCD to be such you could not edit images on different computer on the road.</p>
<p>There are actually four versions what would be comparable.</p>
<p>- F-spot<br />
- Picasa<br />
- Gwenview<br />
- digiKam</p>
<p>The F-spot is tied to Mono. Not good. It is slow, it crash and it actually does not have all features nicely packaged. And it even has hardcoded ~/Photos folder so it does not follow localisation. What is very bad by usability. Tagging is harder because it is just too simple.</p>
<p>Picasa is closed source. Does not look so nice but has all features what avarage user would need. Rating is limited and tagging by same way.</p>
<p>Gwenview is great but it needs Kipi-plugins to work well. Tagging would be done only by nepomil and rating as well. Dont know how well those write tags to EXIF. But it has almost all needed features as well. But it actually needs more the dolphin to be usefull on big albums.</p>
<p>digiKam is best of all these. It has almost all features what you can wait for such software. (I need to ask why digiKam is not official KDE software?!). It only miss layer masks and fixing a few usability things to get straight software. It has lots of potential but still it manages to get the UI keeping simple. What it would need is possibility to have somekind &#8220;avarage joe&#8221; mode. But that could be avoided if digiKam gets the sidepanels working better way. Mayby more like the amarok has?</p>
<p>but the ubuntu is a distribution focused to use Gnome. So Gwenview and digiKam does not work there because they need too much space for KDE platform. Picasa does not fit to UI and needs the wine. So there is nothing more left than F-spot. So it is F-spot or nothing. It is better than nothing so stick with it. Because GIMP does not offer anykind photo collectioning. It is problematic for normal user.</p>
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		<title>By: Nost</title>
		<link>http://blog.cberger.net/2009/11/26/about-krita-and-gimp-in-default-installation/comment-page-1/#comment-293</link>
		<dc:creator>Nost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-390&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-390&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lindsay&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
&gt;Mono, which has known license/freedom problems.
Bollocks. Pure uninformed FUD.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Uninformed? Who&#039;s the owner of C# patents?</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-390" rel="nofollow">Lindsay</a> :</strong><br />
&gt;Mono, which has known license/freedom problems.<br />
Bollocks. Pure uninformed FUD.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Uninformed? Who&#8217;s the owner of C# patents?</p>
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		<title>By: Cyrille Berger</title>
		<link>http://blog.cberger.net/2009/11/26/about-krita-and-gimp-in-default-installation/comment-page-1/#comment-292</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyrille Berger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The license of Mono is beside the point, I do not think anyone will ever agree on that, anyway, even lawyers are divided on the question. But I am sure Cannonical legal department did a review of the legal issue and think it was ok to ship F-Spot. And if that change, they still have the option to switch back to Gimp or use Gwenview or Digikam ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The license of Mono is beside the point, I do not think anyone will ever agree on that, anyway, even lawyers are divided on the question. But I am sure Cannonical legal department did a review of the legal issue and think it was ok to ship F-Spot. And if that change, they still have the option to switch back to Gimp or use Gwenview or Digikam <img src='http://blog.cberger.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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